Let's start this topic with a locksmith question "Xhorse Dolphin or Condor": Do people prefer Xhorse Dolphin or Condor automatic key cutter? I have a Dolphin XP005 and I see that the Condor is being updated, so I'm not sure if I should buy a new Dolphin XP005L with a screen or wait for a new condor. I want to order a key reader, but I didn't expect them to be difficult to get.
Generally speaking: Both are good, Xhorse Dolphin is smaller and lightweight, can carry out to do outdoor jobs.
Part 1. Comparison table Xhorse Dolphin XP005L VS Dolphin XP005
Part 2. Xhorse CONDOR MINI Plus VS Dolphin XP005
Xhorse CONDOR MINI Plus wins Dolphin XP005 in:
1). a longer mechanical life
2). more accurate key cutting
3). with 3 million electric shocks, CONDOR MINI Plus has bigger power.
Image: Has cut 75190 keys continually
Xhorse Dolphin XP005 features:
1). No display screen
2). Match key via APP running with a Android /IOS phone or PAD.
Dolphin XP005 Advantages:
1). Cheaper price than CONDOR MINI Plus (Price for reference: Condor Dolphin $1,945, CONDOR MINI Plus $2699)
2). Lighter weight and easy to take when going out to cut the keys.
3). Share as the same Clamp as CONDOR MINI Plus.
4). Support all keys lost: you can connect APP to check, the database of all keys lost is the same as CONDOR MINI Plus. Note: please ensure the network is connected.
5). Dolphin has built-in lithium battery that can be fully charged in 3 hours. When the battery is full, it can cut 20 keys continuously, if not cut key, it has long standby time.
Dolphin XP005 using tip:
The protective cover is small, to prevent debris from flying upwards, there is a need to bring goggles.
Part 2. Xhorse Dolphin XP-007 VS Xhorse Dolphin XP-005
1). I did a 2010 Suzuki alto today with condor, hu133r kd blade worked perfect.
2). Decoded HU100 key today with Condor XC mini plus, sec e9 can not. Condor cut HU100 wrong, to wide track and too much to the left. Put in biting in sec e9, cut perfect key, but cannot decode.
3). Peugeot 107 is va6
Va2T on 107 up to 2013.
And I done one today. Decoded and cut perfectly.
Va6 decode by eye and enter manually on va2eh2 card.
I only see these on citroen DS and renaults in my day to day jobs really.
4). I decoded few of the older keys (HU64), so no problems there. Then took picture of the decoding and manually wrote the coding on HU64-3 and were no problems.
5). Dolphin and condor mini both use the same database
6). At first, Cant cut Volvo HU56R, always overcut…2.5 mm cutter….
First, I was told, "you must set cutting -0,35 and all ok.”
Like this
After cutting a key, that would not work, i calibrated the condor.
Cut a new key, shown in the picture.
Checked it with a caliper. Seems perfect.
But not opening the lock.
Org opens lock smooth.
Could it be the shoulder, shifting the blade of center?
Car is no longer in my shop, and this key, i send to customer.
what am I missing here, this key should work?!?
Reply: the hu64 has 3 types of the tip, the angles of those 3 types are different, the picture you put above is hu64-3, downside is hu64-2, you need to choose correct angel of it, the shoulder is of the blade will affect nothing about open the lock,
8). Condor mini PLUS contains no battery inside, need to connect with power cable.
Xhorse Dolphin XP005 key cutting machine Feedback:
1). Decode and cut HU64 old style blade: Result Success
Use bitting, and write into new style HU64-3: Result Success
This is the first time experienced that this actually works.
This has always failed in some way earlier.
Not sure if there was some update, which did the trick.
This door lock was in very good condition. It was working really smoothly. Not adding any lubrication.
1,5mm which machine says is recommended.
…
2). X-Horse Dolphin XP-005: just another automated key cutter, but it is really made to work on the roadside – a good choice
After the X6 I was really happy to have a machine what’s more compacter and smaller for the roadside work – but this small thing is a heavy opponent. At first it is heavy because the batteries are built in into the machine, it can cut up to 10 keys without recharging – when you have no troubles with his bit.ch…
It operates from Smartphone or tablet or KeyTool Max as usual @ X-Horse, you can use the same VVDI app. The connection was made through Bluetooth as usual. The main problem with the machine is the hit & miss system that;s built in as factory feature. Sometimes it won’t work. Recalibrate the clamp, cutter calibration and such jokes are coming continuously, but it won’t cut da damn key. In these cases just switch the app to expert mode, and retry. Usually it helps, but when not then you have to do all the calibrations what’s needed. This is impossible without a HON66 blade. If you try to do the calibration with another one, you will get a really bad result. For example: if you do the calibrations with a GT10 key, then you can decode the same blank key only for 3333333 instead of 1111111. To avoid this I’ve put a HON66 blade and a small hex into the collecting tray. I understand that the HON66 is the broadest available key blade, but why is it necessary to use only that one – neither the Mirace or the X6 does such jokes. Another problem is the bad keyway cutting when you cut an inner groove key. If you cut a VA2 or VA6 blade it makes such a bluff cut, that you can put the key in into the keyhole, but it is very difficult to pull it out. It happens often when it decodes something that the machine breaks the probe without any reason, but next time (with the new probe) it decodes the key perfectly.
However, this machine is good enough to buy one, but only for second one – you can’t trust it so much as an X6 for example.
The price is around 2000 USD with the basic accessories.
…..
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Part 1. Comparison table Xhorse Dolphin XP005L VS Dolphin XP005
| Product | Xhorse Dolphin XP005L | Xhorse Dolphin XP-005 |
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| Adjustable HD Touch Screen | An angle-adjustable 5-inch capacitive touch screen, and users can directly complete operation on the screen.LCD resolution 1280*720. | Null |
| Protective Shield | Yes, moveable transparent protective shield prevent metal debris from spattering. | Null |
| Smart status indicator | Colorful indicator lights (in blue:working; in yellow:information notification; in red: false alarm /error warning) | Null |
| Bluetooth | Yes. Control the machine by the Xhorse app on your smart phone or other intelligent terminals via bluetooth | Yes,use smart cellphone or tablett to download APP via Bluetooth. |
| Wifi | Yes, directly upgrade online via wifi connection | Yes, online update via Xhorse APP with smart phone |
| Multiple Clamps | Standard equipped M5 clamp (M1 and M2 2 in 1), and optional M1/M2 Clamp, M3 Clamp, M4 Clamp. | Support clamps M1, M2, M3(optional) and M4 (optional) |
| Hexagon bar wrench | 2mm+4mm 3mm hexagon bar wrench, 3mm hexagon bar wrench,6mm hexagon bar wrench | 2mm hexagon bar wrench, 4mm hexagon bar wrench |
| Weight | Net weight 13KG, Gross weight 18.5KG | Net weight 15KG, Gross weight 18KG |
| Battery | With built-in lithium battery | With built-in lithium battery |
| Language | English, Spanish, French, Polish, Italian, Portuguese, etc | English, Spanish, French, Polish, Italian, Portuguese, etc |
| Update online | Machine firmware and database upgrade via Wifi directly | Online software update on APP, update through Xhorse”Upgrade Kit”. |
| Supported Key types | Support multiple key types, standard single sided, standard double sided, 2 track external, 4 track external, dimple, channel track, 4 track Internal, F021 & Citroen SX9 keys, residential keys, etc. | Sided/track/dimple keys/tibbe keys/some household keys. |
| Key database | Built-in powerful database covers over 100 car brands, 2,000 car modsls and 20,000 key data Accurate key data, detailed parameters, and clear key graphics. | Yes, same key database as XP005L. |
| Function | Self-calibration, key duplication and cutting for vehicle keys, universal key decode for multiple key types. | Self-calibration, key duplication and cutting for vehicle keys, universal key decode for multiple key types. |
| Target users | Provide users outdoor and roadside services | |
| Key Cutting machines | Condor XC-MINI Plus | Dolphin XP005 | ||
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| Screen | LED Display 1024×600 Adjustable Touch-Screen | Small screen showing battery and Bluetooth status | ||
| Spindle | Electric spindle brushless 300, built-in angular contact bearing | Mechanical shaft +60W DC motor (with a foreign model)” “Electric spindle brushless 300W, built-in angular contact bearing | ||
| Transmission mechanism | Ball screw | T-shaped screw + anti-backlash nut | ||
| Guide | Cross-track | Roller guide | ||
| Shell | Plastic outer casing body is formed by body alloying die casting | Base aluminum alloy die-casting, the upper body is made of plastic shell and the body is made of integrated aluminum alloy die-casting. | ||
| Operating system | Stand-alone/ mobile phone APP | mobile phone APP only | ||
| Battery | Without built-in battery. Power supply adapter(optional)
| With built-in battery. 3 hours to fully charge. Full battery cut up to 30 keys | ||
| Built-in Database | Yes | No | ||
| All Keys Lost | Yes, offline operation | You must enable network connection | ||
| Accuracy | more accurate |
| ||
| Service life/ mechanical endurance | Longer | Shorter | ||
| Weight | Net Weight: 18kg Gross Weight: 22.9kg
| Net Weight: 15kg Gross Weight: 18kg | ||
| Motor Rotation Speed | 9000rpm | 10000-13000RPM | ||
| Cutting power: |
| 100W | ||
| Protection cover | Comprehensive protection | Simple protective cover. . Smaller, better wear goggles | ||
| VVD binding | Yes | Yes | ||
| Clamp | M1 clamp (included) M2 clamp (included) M3 clamp (optional) M4 clamp (optional)
| M1 clamp (included) M2 clamp (included) M3 clamp (optional) M4 clamp (optional) | ||
| Warranty | 3 Years | 1 Year | ||
| Update | Update online via Xhorse Update Kit | Update online via Xhorse Update Kit | ||
| Price | $2699 free shipping | $1,945 free shipping
|
Xhorse CONDOR MINI Plus wins Dolphin XP005 in:
1). a longer mechanical life
2). more accurate key cutting
3). with 3 million electric shocks, CONDOR MINI Plus has bigger power.
Image: Has cut 75190 keys continually
Xhorse Dolphin XP005 features:
1). No display screen
2). Match key via APP running with a Android /IOS phone or PAD.
Dolphin XP005 Advantages:
1). Cheaper price than CONDOR MINI Plus (Price for reference: Condor Dolphin $1,945, CONDOR MINI Plus $2699)
2). Lighter weight and easy to take when going out to cut the keys.
3). Share as the same Clamp as CONDOR MINI Plus.
4). Support all keys lost: you can connect APP to check, the database of all keys lost is the same as CONDOR MINI Plus. Note: please ensure the network is connected.
5). Dolphin has built-in lithium battery that can be fully charged in 3 hours. When the battery is full, it can cut 20 keys continuously, if not cut key, it has long standby time.
Dolphin XP005 using tip:
The protective cover is small, to prevent debris from flying upwards, there is a need to bring goggles.
Part 2. Xhorse Dolphin XP-007 VS Xhorse Dolphin XP-005
| Item | Xhorse Condor DOLPHIN XP-007 | Xhorse Condor Dolphin XP-005 |
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| Price | US$699.00 | US$500.00 |
| Working temperature | 0-50℃ | 0-50℃ |
| Warranty | 1 Year | 1 Year |
| Working humidity | 10%-90% | 10%-90% |
| Standby Power | / | 15W |
| Rated torque | Switch 1：0.12 N.M Switch 2：0.16 N.M | |
| Screen | / | Small screen showing battery and Bluetooth status |
| Spindle | / | Mechanical shaft +60W DC motor (with a foreign model)” “Electric spindle brushless 300W, built-in angular contact bearing |
| Transmission mechanism | / | T-shaped screw + anti-backlash nut |
| Operating system | / | Mobile phone APP |
| guide | / | Roller guide |
| Shell | / | Base aluminum alloy die-casting, the upper body is made of plastic shell and the body is made of integrated aluminum alloy die-casting |
| USB Port | / | USB2.0 |
| Support all Keys Lost | / | Yes, must connect to the network. |
| Fixture | / | Standard fixture |
| Manipulation | / | No touch screen, no built-in database |
| Support offline operation | / | No |
| Support VVD binding | / | No |
| Battery | Built-in Lithium Battery (Optimized lithium battery of well-known brand, stable and reliable, support cutting under no power conditions.) | Built-in Lithium Battery(It can be fully charged in 3 hours. ) |
| Clamp | Standard equipped multi-function clamp, support Sided, Track & Dimple keys | M1 clamp(included) M2 clamp(included) M3 clamp(optional) M4 clamp(optional)
|
| Battery capacity | 64.75w.h | 64.75w.h |
| Update | / | Update online via Xhorse Update Kit |
| Motor rotation speed | Highest:13000RPM Switch 1: 7000RPM Switch 2: 10000RPM
| 10000-13000RPM |
| Machine Size | 282×246.5×355mm | 315×218×270mm |
| Package size | 365×325×350mm | 510×315×345mm |
| Travel of spindle | 25mm | / |
| Cutting power | 120W | / |
| Cutting Speed | 120W DC brushless motor, designed 2 switches for adjustment speed | 1X SPEED |
| Power parameter | 12-18V | / |
| Table travel | Transverse: 36mm Portrait: 48mm | / |
| Net weight | 11.55kg | 15kg |
| Gross weight | 14kg | 18kg |
Condor XC mini plus Feedback:
1). I did a 2010 Suzuki alto today with condor, hu133r kd blade worked perfect.
2). Decoded HU100 key today with Condor XC mini plus, sec e9 can not. Condor cut HU100 wrong, to wide track and too much to the left. Put in biting in sec e9, cut perfect key, but cannot decode.
3). Peugeot 107 is va6
Va2T on 107 up to 2013.
And I done one today. Decoded and cut perfectly.
Va6 decode by eye and enter manually on va2eh2 card.
I only see these on citroen DS and renaults in my day to day jobs really.
4). I decoded few of the older keys (HU64), so no problems there. Then took picture of the decoding and manually wrote the coding on HU64-3 and were no problems.
5). Dolphin and condor mini both use the same database
6). At first, Cant cut Volvo HU56R, always overcut…2.5 mm cutter….
First, I was told, "you must set cutting -0,35 and all ok.”
Like this
7). The one on top is the original.
After cutting a key, that would not work, i calibrated the condor.
Cut a new key, shown in the picture.
Checked it with a caliper. Seems perfect.
But not opening the lock.
Org opens lock smooth.
Could it be the shoulder, shifting the blade of center?
Car is no longer in my shop, and this key, i send to customer.
what am I missing here, this key should work?!?
Reply: the hu64 has 3 types of the tip, the angles of those 3 types are different, the picture you put above is hu64-3, downside is hu64-2, you need to choose correct angel of it, the shoulder is of the blade will affect nothing about open the lock,
8). Condor mini PLUS contains no battery inside, need to connect with power cable.
Xhorse Dolphin XP005 key cutting machine Feedback:
1). Decode and cut HU64 old style blade: Result Success
Use bitting, and write into new style HU64-3: Result Success
This is the first time experienced that this actually works.
This has always failed in some way earlier.
Not sure if there was some update, which did the trick.
This door lock was in very good condition. It was working really smoothly. Not adding any lubrication.
1,5mm which machine says is recommended.
…
2). X-Horse Dolphin XP-005: just another automated key cutter, but it is really made to work on the roadside – a good choice
After the X6 I was really happy to have a machine what’s more compacter and smaller for the roadside work – but this small thing is a heavy opponent. At first it is heavy because the batteries are built in into the machine, it can cut up to 10 keys without recharging – when you have no troubles with his bit.ch…
It operates from Smartphone or tablet or KeyTool Max as usual @ X-Horse, you can use the same VVDI app. The connection was made through Bluetooth as usual. The main problem with the machine is the hit & miss system that;s built in as factory feature. Sometimes it won’t work. Recalibrate the clamp, cutter calibration and such jokes are coming continuously, but it won’t cut da damn key. In these cases just switch the app to expert mode, and retry. Usually it helps, but when not then you have to do all the calibrations what’s needed. This is impossible without a HON66 blade. If you try to do the calibration with another one, you will get a really bad result. For example: if you do the calibrations with a GT10 key, then you can decode the same blank key only for 3333333 instead of 1111111. To avoid this I’ve put a HON66 blade and a small hex into the collecting tray. I understand that the HON66 is the broadest available key blade, but why is it necessary to use only that one – neither the Mirace or the X6 does such jokes. Another problem is the bad keyway cutting when you cut an inner groove key. If you cut a VA2 or VA6 blade it makes such a bluff cut, that you can put the key in into the keyhole, but it is very difficult to pull it out. It happens often when it decodes something that the machine breaks the probe without any reason, but next time (with the new probe) it decodes the key perfectly.
However, this machine is good enough to buy one, but only for second one – you can’t trust it so much as an X6 for example.
The price is around 2000 USD with the basic accessories.
…..
Alright, maybe you are interested in all key cutting machine details here:
https://www.uobdii.com/producttags/key-cutting-machine.html
More info: http://www.keycuttingmachine.org/
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